carmina vs meermin sizing

I feel much less tired in my feet after a long day, and if one have a bit problematic feet it will be an even bigger difference. But in the same moment, I realised this was unfair. Customers get a lot of value from buying Carmina shoes because these fashionable shoes are really sturdy, durable, and long-lasting in the long run. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) Nice article , but why the article call these cheap shoes? While I like the imperial range, I disagree that Cheaney are at a similar level to C&J; even to my untrained eye the upper leather doesnt seem comparable (scuffs more easily) and is thinner. So do only the toes get more room or is the hole shoe more roomier? They used to offer calf leather and Goodyear welting at incredible prices though the soles would wear quickly and their shops recommended Topy. Hmm, thanks for highlighting that Francois. Sendra is a factory that makes for a lot of cheaper start-ups, because theyre so flexible and have no minimums. Alden Aberdeen 9.5D: Great fit. The price range for Meermin loafers is $165 for women and $175 for men. Allen Edmonds Sizing to Carmina & Meermin Those that have Allen Edmonds and carmina or meermins, what size do you wear in AE compared to the others? Leo 9E/9.5D: Bad fit. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5E: hoping these fix the sizing issues.**. Thanks for the informative post. Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. For what its worth Joshua, (with plenty of experience of both) I wouldnt necessarily consider C&J a step up from Trickers. I brought a pair of black Oxford brogues in a classic last for 109 that were from the previous season and a pair of Dark Leaf Calf Oxfords for 150 that had a negligible fault (even the staff had to look it up as it wasnt obvious). Custom ordered these with a combination last of 9.5E toe and 9.5D heel. I have room for my toes, but my foot isnt rattling around. I guess they are really strong in the marketing department indeed. Carmina shoes are stylish, fashionable, chic, and very good-looking. Because every Carmina thread is comprised of "what size am I" questions. Those two are quite similar, in that they both have pretty large marketing budgets, run their own retail, and have ridden the wave of classic menswear in the past few years. There are some good value pick ups in this range, especially when youre figuring out what you like and dont like and building up your wardrobe slowly over time.. Nice, good to hear your experience Taylor, thanks. I usually just buy shoes in the 500 range when they go on sale for 200-300, but in the 300 range I really like the Austrian manufacturer Handmacher; they make shoes on traditionally boxy Viennese lasts, and they use tiny wooden nails to connect the soles to the uppers. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. I once dumped a veritable fortune on a pair of bespoke Berluttis that caused me so much physical discomfort I was left with the impression they had been designed by the Gestapo. The Hand-Welting construction of these shoes makes them be very good dress shoes that can fit into any wardrobe quite easily. So all in all a shoes that looks good, but not a feel good shoe. You may learn more here. You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. @ Matty, if your initial post was relatively friendly and good natured Im sure you would have gotten a similar reply. Meermins are stylish shoes, but they are also quite practical as well. Viberg 2020 8.5 GYW: Kinda snug, had to stretch out the instep, slightly smaller than the stitchdown version. I have a pair of MacNeil long wings made in 1977, two years before I was born, that I acquired used and had resoled. Perhaps my favorite, but I'd need more time with the boots to decide. men's size 6D with my thickest socks; my dream would be a size 5.5 in this last: 6D Meermin Hiro Derby: 4.5: UK: . Carminas guidance is down by half for shell or for unlined , in all lasts. My favourite pair of C&J have been back to the factory four times for refurbishment. Exactly!! Trickers appears to have a wider breadth to me, especially in country shoes and boots in lots of leathers and colours. Meermin shoes are cool and stylish as well, but, they are however not as stylish and cool as the Carmina shoes that are distributed in this present moment. Do you think there is a difference in comfort? 55 last 9.5E: Excellent fit with thick or thin socks, this is what boot heaven feels like! A 42 would be too large and a 41 too small. Im sure PS readers would disagree! Dress socks. The Brannock size (heel-to-toe) will be the top parent comment. Alden Van: 10D - Good fit. The quality would probably tell more in the calf than the suede too, so makes sense to do it that way around. Besides, one isnt going to do something athletic in dress shoes so a relatively poor fit is not noticed most of the time. Finally somebody else who has experienced Meermin shoes as very hard to break in. Good point Ben, Im not sure. Start-up brands are often good on marketing, on styling and photography. The arch is prominent, not as much as the White's Archease. Off sale they come in at about 380 per pair (sale price 225) and they have a great re-furb service where for 80, theyll send them back to you as good as new. Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. Left foot was okay. Should fit most people TTS. Many thanks Simon as usual for the very informative article. Berwick is very good quality and seems to be stealing some of Loakes market share in the U.K. Prices at the well known shoe store near Victoria undercut Loake. It is good with athletic socks. Job done. It would be nice to see more posts on the different plateaus (?) Please dont take offence, I am just dead curious about it. Ive a pair of Barker Grant that I must have worn 50/60/70 times and its only last week I had a topy (SVIG rubber) put on, the cobbler reckoned the rubber on the heel hadnt worn enough to warrant replacement. Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. The quotes throughout are his. Trickers 4444: A perfect fit in 8.5 with medium socks in Logger boots. I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. The EG just feel better than both ever did straight out of the box, but Im not sure how psychological that is! Finally and most importantly, find a last that truly fits your feet. Carmina Simpson Chelsea boot - 9.5 UK. In fact at some point I wondered whether you were being protectionist of Northampton makers by apparently shunning AE, but then I could not see anywhere else that could be like you. The Rain 7.5EEE was okay but not great - more tight than comfortably snug, and I'm not sure if they would break in well for me. Most of our ready to wear production goes from size 6UK to 12UK, but if you happen to wear a smaller or larger size, we can definitely help & specially make any pair from our collection for you. Regarding AE, theres certainly been a change since their most recent acquisition in 2017. Hard as rock! Bought before I understood my size. I would agree that some change has happened since Stollenwerk sold the company to an investment fund, they seem to have gone into the greed and certainly for some cost cutting somewhere to make up for the handicap of making in the US. This I find quite interesting, since you certainly arent the only one. Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. Does that refer to leather- or rubber ones? Arch might be a little too aggressive for my right foot, but it should break in more. As you mentioned, the C&J sole is flat and not very detailed, but the leather is thick but very supple and significantly more comfortable than any other shoe I have over the course of the day. Great read Simon. I have wide feet (I wear 8EEE on the 65 last in Allen Edmonds) so almost none of the regular lasts fit me, except for Forest 7.5EEE. Also, as this pair is the kind of a pair of is, this hasn't been in the easiest environments. "The quality control isnt quite as good as the English as well.. There is a great day out to be had (or was) visiting the factory shops of the main makers in and around Northampton. Back to Morjas specifically. Additional notes about feet:I was measured as 10.5D by an Allen Edmonds store associate several years ago. Carmina: one step down from C&J but higher quality than the others on the list. Matty: Late reply, but noticed your comment just now. Given I can purchase a pair of CJ for 650 retail shipped from England this is not a great value. if youre going to write mean spirited attacks on someone you shouldnt be surprised that they defend themselves and reply in kind I'm trying to suss out sizing for several models: I don't know if I can help, but I will give it a go - do bear in mind, of course, that everyone's feet are different. In contrast, Ive always found EGs service excellent but my interactions (outside of lockdown) are entirely based on the Jermyn Street store and I cant say Ive asked for anything unusual. There are many levels at tanneries, and cheaper brands dont get the same quality or the first selection. Carmina is the best of the Mallorca-based shoemakers (which includes Meermin and TLB Mallorca), but is more expensive than either Meermin or Spier & Mackay by about double. Hoping to get myself a pair soon. Everyone in London should visit John and ask for his advice on shoes. Ive never understood why they tried to branch out so much. Then last but not least, my longwing pair (not available anymore I'm afraid). It is relatively easy to find them discounted, Apologies if this question is in the wrong place. In addition they come in some very handsome styles. Ive never heard of it or tried it, and probably wouldnt in the future as I say at the top of this most, this isnt my area of expertise really. As for Northampton shoes they are still great value if you buy in the sale or go to the factory shops. Alden Plaza 9.5D: One of best fitting lasts, feels great. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. With thick socks, fits like a snug glove all around on unstructured toe. or to put it another more childish way, you started it! I made the same experience with Bobbies shoes which ended in an oddyssey of sending shoes back and forth. Truman P-79 9D: Good fit, was snug the first day with boot socks and now comfortable with boot socks. Carmina shoes are more fashionable and elegant than the Meermin shoes. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Above all of these. How to measure your feet. Bought before I understood my size. Its a last designed to accommodate a range of foot shapes and I was able to comfortably wear them from day 1 with my preferred boot socks. Absolutely do not take it 1.5 down from Brannock like Viberg recommends. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. Simon as always your articles are informative and an education. The last is generally nicer, finer finishing elements are nicer, fewer corners are cut in certain areas, etc. The difference between, for example, C&J and EG is the same as the difference between them and the cheaper shoes. I can only speak for Cheaney, but the staff were very helpful and there was a good range when I visited around 7 months ago. Im a regular customer of both Jermyn Street shops and the customer service Ive consistently experienced over many years has been exceptionally good, significantly better than Ive experienced in some other, more expensive establishments that will be well known to readers of this blog. Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. Note: this is for the old China models. In the same way as it is well-known that, in general, the quality control of British brands in all price ranges is better than in Spain and Italy, British shoes almost always have a very even, solid level). Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). They use plastic heel stiffeners, and the make is solid and English - not that refined. I absolutely could not go a half-size down. 6.5D Carmina: 5.5: UK: Forest, Robert - 5.5UK: 6.5D Carmina Forest: 5.5: UK: 5.5UK with a smidge of heel slip: A very useful piece for me as Im slowly getting into the joys of proper shoes. Interested to hear your thoughts if one abstracts from the usual price mark-up due to branding etc. Thanks for the response. Forest is a rounded toe, regular instep and more room across the forepart. Not sure I'd feel the same today. Brett has called it an EE width in the past, I don't think its much wider than the 2030 at the ball where it matters most, but the heel is extra wide and the toe box doesn't taper as much so there's more toe room as well. Also I feel the toe space is a bit too narrow. However without the insert there's too much volume so now I'm shopping for a 3/4 insert to toss in them. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. But also, a lot of brands offer MTO with a different width at no extra cost, or only a small one. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. The alternative is leather board read the rest of the article and youll see it. This post is an epitome of that, and I may well take the opportunity to praise your reflection. Travel Shoes Poll: What shoes do you bring with you on short trips? Foot extends past footbed on sides. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. Doc Martens or Loake 1880 for Chelsea boots ? On an industry level, theres also more variation among the Spanish brands, not least because a lot of them are younger, changing, and trying to fit into an increasingly competitive market. Here's some of my sizing for reference: Meermin RON 11.5 medium Tricker's Bourton 10.5 Tricker's Stow 11 Carmina Xim UNLINED 10.5 Carmina Simpson 11.5 Alden Grant 11.5 Are morjas using leather or plastic heel stiffeners? MP/Barrie 9.5E: Excellent fit right out of the box with thick or thin socks. I dont think either has changed in their quality, no. To take an example, say youre in the market for an adelaide. Extraordinary. Ill be reviewing them separately, as theyre more similar to other shoes weve covered. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Im starting to wonder if the differential is worth it. It might be somewhat boring, but the greatest shoe design can be quite a disappointment when theres puckering on seams, marks on the leather or misaligned stitching. So if you wear for example UK10 in your Meermin we recommend UK9,5 in . Unfortunately they offer less Goodyear welted shoes these days. I do appreciate your recommendations to other blogs/websites/magazines as its not always easy to spot good work in the vast numbers of style websites. Do you like the mor traditional English or contemporary French style more? Initially caused rubbing on my goofy 5th toe and sometimes I still feel discomfort there after a long day with a lot of walking. Barrie 9.5D: Bad fit. I now have 3 different pairs on that Cheaney last. Alden Barrie 9D: Slightly snug, still comfortable, but my least favorite Alden last so far. Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. Overall, would you have a favourite among these brands? Besides a very enthusiastic and engaging chap in the Jermyn Street store, whose name I have forgotten, they could do with taking lessons from the brands mentioned in this post. The Shelby boot has a lower instep as a result of the pattern as well. Will it be in Spain 1 or Spain 2 in your list? The sort of thing that Septieme Largeur really excel in . I would note that although the shoes I own have tight sole stitching, C&J models without pinking on the soles (for example, the Sydney with rubber soles) are noticeably less sleek. Thats the opposite advice I received on rain from someone else. But I would be fairly confident that, as with other English makers, you get pretty much exactly what you pay for. Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. Below that, there are smaller differences created by new entrants to the market. Youre better off looking at the tannery the leather came from and if it had a recognizable leather name (cxl for example) but even within that there are gradations on the product from the same tannery. Goto-san requires tracings to be sized in these and you really should have them done. Crockett & Jones (bench grade): I own the Alex (wholecut on 348 last). They're also very flexible to work with. This is what separates them from the suit debate. Alden TruBalance 9D: Its just so good. Apart from the differences in material qualities, a major difference between Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes is the price tags that these shoes are sold and distributed for. I have four pairs from them that cover all my needs and they are definitely as good as John Lobb who charge you over twice the price. Seems to be a popular thing to write now. They look nice to me, but as I have only been buying shoes from British shoemakers, I am unsure whether their last may look showy or unusual comparison. If you will be ordering from the Trickers website, I suggest going over the fine print. I purchased a pair of chocolate brown suede chukkas from AFPOS a number of years ago, and the suede is a beautiful colour and has maintained its nap really well. Asics GT2000: 11 - Perfect fit. Im looking forward to stopping by! She tried Orbans but they were stiff as hell. Theyre the only pair from this collection that I got out of the box and went wow. Buying a pair of Meermins is not a decision that you are going to regret, trust me. Cnes also has great hand-welted shoes too, about 350 I believe, which look a lot more expensive.. I recommend .5 down and just accepting that it is a wide pattern. I could fully close the lacing with the shoes still being a little loose with 9E. I must admit, my original motivations were more around my budget limitations, but I think I am also strangely more attached to them having visited the factory (the same site since their manufacturing started in the late 19th century) and learnt about their provenance. Meermin (above) has also become big, mostly in the US. You are using an out of date browser. You found 1 size in that last worked for you though? Its a solid fit. Red Wing 23 9D: decent fit. Carminas Quality Control is definitely another trait that makes these shoes better than Meermin shoes. second chance thread), https://www.instagram.com/sartorially_inclined/, https://www.carminashoemaker.com/wholecut-boots-black-boxcalf-80518, Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. To be honest, I wasnt impressed. And it seems like, that level of service pervades the company. Carmina shoes are made with classy Shell Cordovan Leather that is really elegant and unique. Were the shoes more structured I would go with 9.5D. Benzein Parang 42: Its a bit short, but wearable. Cheers Michael, its hard to appreciate that price differential from over here in the EU. Its the same width as the 8.5E, but just a smidge longer and is perfect. Their price seems similar to or slightly higher than C&J Handgrade collections but I wasnt sure as they are a French brand. So my true size is an 11.5, in most American boots I'm an 11, and all my boots with European sizing (like Tricker's) are a 10.5. Sounds like a nice choice of shoes. I have Meermin boots and happy with the quality. Good engineer last and terrible service boot, there's a reason they never went production on em. The heel stiffener is a piece of the internal structure of the shoe, which sits inside the heel cup. For 200, its a really solid shoe. Interesting. Cheaper shoes will often have small mistakes, such as little splits in the sole or heel stack. No issues on 5+ hour rides. * **Alden Aberdeen** 9D loosened up a bit with wear, * **Alden Van** 8.5D comfortable in shell, * **Antonio Meccariello Aeris Soft Square** 8.5UK excellent fit, * **Antonio Meccariello Chisel II** 8.5UK bit loose all round, I suspect half a size down would have fit better but a become a bit tight at the pinky toe, * **Berwick1707 240** 42EU quite snug all round, perfect for a summer loafer, * **Carlos Santos 1944/r1s** 8UK fantastic loafer fit, * **Carlos Santos 401/s** 8UK forefoot a bit roomy, * **Carmina Pina** 8UK too much heel slip for a loafer, * **Carmina Simpson** 8.5UK instep too low, * **Clematis Ginza unknown oxford last** 8UK (made by Joe Works, also too low an instep), * **Common Projects Achilles Low** 41EU Fits but toe box feels too low, * **Common Projects Achilles Low** 42EU Great fit, * **Crockett & Jones 314** 8EUK snug all round, not much toe room, * **Edward Green 184** 8.5UK fantastic loafer fit. Ive spent up to $2000 on a suit or sports jacket or coat on various occasions but have never spent more than $350 on a pair of shoes. Arch support is nowhere near the 55 last but feels much more substantial than any other maker listed. I have dainite soled storm welted trickers penny loafers and also commando soled stows, and I cant see myself wearing them much with anything aside from jeans or super casual chinos/corduroys. I dont think it is available outside of Japan though. The heel is the most notably roomier and the length actually seems to be the same. Slightly tight on mid-foot for the first day. Many thanks in advance, If you want something that very versatile, I wouldnt go with burgundy. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. A couple of years ago, I returned two pairs of Oxfords that needed resoling after less than ten wears each. With Skolyx the price is cut down by making a basic shoe, but clean and consistent. They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. I find that you almost always get what you pay for when it comes to goodyear welted shoes and both of these shoemakers are a big step up from all the budget tier brands I have tried in terms of materials, fit, craftmanship and durability. The two brands are roughly the same level of make, with the price difference largely coming down to costs of labour in the UK and Spain. Unlike tailoring where fashions and preferences can change over time, given your taste and understanding of fit also develops, shoes are mostly immune to change. Sizing as 10E and filling in vertical space as needed seems to offer the best fit, without any of the above problems. For the price of a brand new AE Id rather get a pair of C&J or Carminas for a little more. JF main line would definitely be in Spain 1. I just had the opportunity to try on some Carminas in store. Brilliant. Allen Edmonds still made really good shoes twenty years ago, but their attempt at becoming an all around clothing brand with its own shops really harmed the quality of the shoes. Here you'll find an extensive sizing chart for Goodyear welted shoes from Skolyx, Yanko and TLB Mallorca. No need to own property, employ shop staff etc etc. The same is true for the tailors and the small number of shops I use for RTW clothing. Santoni I have experienced, and I would say the same. Crownhill is decent stuff as well, especially the material level for the price is good. But the insoles are very comfortable and have molded to my feet nicely. First impressions tell us most of what we need to know about certain products. These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and Carmina (above) coming to prominence in the past 10 years. 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