She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. No where did she usurp authority etc. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. 2. Two of the three best known sources Ive listed, Justin Peters and Aimee Byrd, are Reformed. #3 Priscilla teaches to listen for Gods voice. This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. Matthew 9:32-38. Here are my 2.1. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. THERE WERE They are busy caring for their churches. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. such as man can bear. Its a complete waste of time. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. How is this different?. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. read more, Scripture: If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. Let me tell you something, if your church recommended War Room, you can almost be certain that its leadership knew next to nothing about Shirer. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. Thanks so much for your comment. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. rather than on the Bible. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. 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(I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. How is this different? THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. 5:7 ). But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. I am gonna pray for you. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: It will be called the good shepherd calls. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Mark 10:46-53 Evangelical Dark Web. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. Jonah 2:10. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS ARE TO AVOID. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. read more, Scripture: He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: There are Thank you so much for your consideration, These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Here they are promoting silence. People Listen In Different Wayscan You Reach All Of Them? Introduction Heres why: 1. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Go beyond our fears. WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? No-one is beyond reach. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). 3And I will make thee swear by I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). You are very kind and encouraging :0). It doesnt. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. The riches of His word are amazing! Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. Certainly. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. Thats very wise, and I respect that. You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. My bible teaches those roles but thank you. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. I can always use more people praying for me. In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. I just do not think its right to judge anyones ministry it causes division with in the body of Christ why cant we just celebrate each other then we can learn from each other. Priscilla Shirer is. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. It often times fails. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Where does the Bible teach this? Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. If they ever do an article on her, I will add it to my list of resources here. I really dont want to study scripture with/ from someone who is knowingly sinning by leading His lambs astray. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. Amen. Or and be .. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. No-one is beyond compassion. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. Scripture: 2 Kings 5:1-15 Denomination: Baptist Going Beyond What Is Expected? Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. Dear Michelle, Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? She does. Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. :0). God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. Weve got to act on what the Bible says, not our own opinions. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. 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