@nickvdl Hi. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? 1. of OCD triggers and symptoms. Your email address will not be published. Unfortunately she never got the chance. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- I think she died in bed after being knocked unconscious using Marks ethanol method. I agree. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. I cannot get over what he did. Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Kick him? ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. Wow, you are really reaching here. Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. You see any documents with that diagnosis? 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. I bet there was no conversation. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. And that she looked at him as she died. Lack of petechiae. Even more common with pregnant women. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. That sounds very very snarky. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! They are finger prints from his hands. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. Makes me so sick. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? So weird. The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Its actually not uncommon. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? There was no oil in Ceces stomach. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. I would put the blame on Chris! Terrifying to think he could have put them in the tanks still alive but incapacitated. I am by no means defending him. Maybe he lost patience with her. I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. Chris Watts. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. Late stage of pregnant. The detective said not really. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. Im wondering if he had bipolar. He was an operator for Anadarko. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. But thats me. Thankyou. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. I am not sure that he planned the murders. Hello everyone, Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. 5. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. Very CW. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! I just dont get it. Not one place on his body? People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. You know theres plenty of that right? If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. A monster! Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. Specifically, the region of your brain that controls the muscles that hold your sphincter closed becomes incapacitated following death. Exiting rooms. Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. 1. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Like someone took over his body. What are the odds???? Seriously? I just dont understand this. Good work. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. These people cant tell the truth about anything. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Just kind of odd. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. 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