Rigo:Right. Barry:Jerry Hirsch sued Roger Pearson, so we were able to get a deposition under oath, and I prepared a list for Jerry's attorney to simply ask, uh, Pearson, "Have you published under this name, this name, this name, this name?" It is around this time in the early 1970s that something happened that could have been the end of The Pioneer Fund. Rigo:Exactly. And I wasn't just calling them Nazis, I was putting out a context to show that this was a fascist endeavor, and that these people were not only Neo Nazis, but they were just old fashioned Nazis, and I think that it was one of the reasons why they hated me so much. There's like, an intellectual continuity, so that theory Mehler had as a 13 year old boy, that the Nazis didn't just suddenly disappear, he was right. Lisa:That makes sense. And, and I know he doesn't understand, the movement that he's a part of begins in the Hitler and the institutions that Phil belongs to grow right out of the Hitler era. In 1936, Draper paid to reprint 1,000 copies of the book called White America to send to politicians. Barry:What I noticed immediately was how important these academics were. Stay informed! News archive:Some of the ideas found in the book, the bell curve are not new. Barry:The word pioneer has a real meaning to these people. They wanted the ideas out but not their name. Rigo:So the Mankind Quarterly was not taken seriously by their academics, and you can see that in their impact score. on the Internet. Rigo:It seems like it's, like, um, kind of click bait-y television for the time. I was the only one really putting together these strands because I was reading the racist newspapers. And you're a Neo Nazi and he added you back. He had a much more prestigious position than, than I had. Actually, this brings something up for me. WebIn his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. Lisa:Presumably he's not also a race scientist? Barry:They have their own printing presses, their own journals. Uploaded by And I really don't think that that was a winning strategy. Uploaded by So The Pioneer Fund doesn't really care about the science. His hugely popular show aired from 1967 to 1996, and Donahue won nine Daytime Emmy Awards (197780, 198283, 198586, and 1988) as I can't imagine how Barry Mehler feels watching this all explode and then kind of die down and become less controversial again. Lisa:So, and this is really just personal curiosity, what about Barry Mehler? He travels to Spain. Rigo:Yeah, and The Pioneer Fund steers their work too. Photo credit to Steve Kagan. It's like Rushton wants to dress it up in jargon so you don't notice how hateful the premise is, but Mehler just cuts right to the chase. The name calling incident was a rude awakening, but things would unfortunately get worse from there. Jensen on Donahue:The, the white population of the United States score is higher on all kinds of mental tests, not just IQ tests, but every kind of mental test. Lisa:So is The Pioneer Fund involved with Murray and The Bell Curve? Lisa: You can really tell from the clip that Mehler's getting under their skin. I'm sorry, 11 million dollars in 1920s money? Search the history of over 797 billion This is Bill Tucker. First, I believe it is not hypocritical, though it does sometimes express erroneous views. For more information, please contact. And we just went down a whole list, and, you know, and he confirmed that he was all those people. He's even polished when he starts talking about things like sex. Bill:In general, Pioneer funded two different groups of recipients. on January 8, 2023. In his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. Lisa:There's no resolution. I want my name to be associated with my work. Lisa:So you're telling me they didn't have to apply for grants, or have funding cycles, or write proposals. Title of Larger Work The Phil Donahue Show Collection Title Collected Works of Milton Friedman Project records Guest Friedman, Milton (1912-2006) Host Donahue, Phil Publication Type(s) Interviews & TV Appearances. Boy, they must have hit it off right away. This is why the book claims blacks are disproportionately living in poverty and also more likely to commit crime. [Description and dates], Hagley ID, Box/folder number, MCI Communications Corporation records (Accession 2225), Manuscripts and Archives Department, Hagley Museum and Library, Wilmington, DE 19807, Access to this item is provided for educational and research purposes only. If you would like more information, please contact askhagley@hagley.org. Lisa:I feel like you're about to play me an example. Lisa:Wow. Sometimes he goes through The Pioneer Fund, and sometimes he just gives money directly. It's kind of a fitting name because he was born into a wealthy family in 1891. Rigo:Yeah. James E. Woods Lisa:So this is kind of a David and Goliath situation, Guggenheim Fellow versus academic underdog. Lisa: Ah, charming. Lisa:This is exactly what The Pioneer Fund ultimately wanted, right? on the Internet. Lisa:Ah, the pseudonym journal strikes again. Rigo: Barry Mehler's TV appearances made Roger Pearson furious. The Pioneer paid for it, but the Harvard Educational Review published it. Search the history of over 797 billion We're losing. All together, he received about a million dollars. Paul: And while he's in Europe Draper quite literally pals around with Nazis. Rigo:And Laughlin was on that wave length. I mean at the time it was released, The Bell Curve, I, I know was widely discredited by a lot of mainstream scientists. He openly endorsed it. His guest for the episode was Charles Murray, who co-authored the 1994 book, The Bell Curve. WebPhil Donahue Show Transcripts (Transcripts), 1981-1982 Scope and Contents The Lectures, Speeches, Interviews series primarily consists of material related to the many lectures, The Hagley Digital Archives provides online access to selected items from the Hagley Library's collection of images, documents, and publications related to the history of business, technology, and society. I mean, they hid themselves for decades, right, behind the scenes so they don't want someone who's gonna be a lightening rod for controversy. It was part of his insecurity, but the data for this was so stupid. At this point, Barry Mehler decides not to become a rabbi, and instead pursues the history of science, and in particular, the history of Nazis and race science. Angela:If, you know, the basis of the study of human difference for a couple of hundred years has been that race is real, you don't let go of it overnight, and so of course they didn't let go of it, uh Of it overnight. He was the first person to really call them out publicly. Lisa:That blows right past yikes into holy crap territory. They're on the frontier, you know, beating back the wilderness, um, killing off the Natives. Lisa:Rigo, I feel like you're about to tell me that there's a secret clique or confederacy if you will of rich racists sitting in a basement somewhere funding every racist academic. And when I say a Nazi magazine, the logo literally had a swastika in it, and then he wrote an article that claimed that Jews had started World War II, and they were trying to exterminate the Germans so they were the victims. Then I, I trust you believe there are others. I was right about the cabal in the basement. He wants us to mention that he has throat cancer, and that his voice is strained. So Cox, and Laughlin, and Draper all have a hand in this racist advocacy right up to the floor of, of the Senate, as well as over in Germany. Archive of Erbkrant: You find it a specially high percentage of mentally air among the Jewish population. Uh, they had the platform. Lisa:So what happened to The Pioneer Fund? Barry:At the time, we had been getting a lot of death threats, and so And by the way, I wouldn't go to the police. Rigo:And method number two is hide the funding source. This episode examines a much more overt kind of scientific racism: by telling the story of a racist, wealthy, underground confederacythat has funded nearly every race scientist out there. He was inspired by Hans F. K. Gnther, the Third Reich's most prominent race scientist. "No, we're not passing racist laws because we hate people who are different from us, we're just following the science." It was clear that the anti Semitism was everywhere about me. Bill:Yes. I mean the first thing that comes to mind for me is The Bell Curve by Charles Murray, which was huge. Lisa:He's a psychologist. He was in deep. He recalled one instance when his grade school son, Isaac, wanted to go play in the woods with his friend, but his volunteer body guard stopped him from going. Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.mp4. Rigo:Exactly, and you know what comes next is that Drape becomes a cash cow for Laughlin's schemes. It gets stranger. And even after his death, Pioneer continued the same tradition, which was the distribution of unsolicited works to various individuals in the hopes that it would influence public policy. Lisa:Not surprised to hear that they're not just spewing hateful ideas, they're acting on them. It was interesting to learn that they would Draper would send them, like, Christmas presents basically, like literal, like, "Here's $50. Let's switch gears and talk about the bearded guy on the right, who has amazing muttonchops. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Barry:When I was 13, you know, we have a bar mitzvah and, you know, a Jewish boy becomes a man, and there's a big party, and, you know, I have five brothers so I'm in middle, and so this was the first time they made a big fuss over me and I was the center of everybody's attention. Paul: And then writes about it in an, a newspaper article that is syndicated and sent to a number of places around the country. He stumbles his way into Harvard but he has very mediocre grades, and he eventually joins the Army, where he works his way up to the rank of Colonel. Rigo:That guy went on to become the world's largest publisher of neo Nazi material in Canada. Commercials were cut during the broadcast. You know, for God's sakes, we're feeding them breakfast. Here's money we'll send you. Suddenly I'm in the suburbs of New York, and I'm walking down, uh, a street and a car drives by, and there's, uh, a, a father and his son, and the son screams out the window at me, you know, something like, "You dirty [expletive]." And on the other hand were the political people who did the actual exploiting. Rigo:Right. I would imagine that some opinions are changing as the war drags on. Barry:This kind of propaganda, and this kind of advocacy goes on for some time. The Special Collections Department collects and preserves rare and unique materials including rare books, oral histories, university archives, historical manuscripts, maps, microfilm, photographs, art and artifacts. And I decided I wanted to become a rabbi, and my father thought that was a terrific idea, and, and I transferred to a Jewish parochial school, and I began to wear the kippah on my head. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, but he soon started pushing the envelope by discussing health and social topics previously considered taboo. To check on you officers. on the Internet. I'm curious about how you would respond to that. And then he has a long and thorough correspondence and involvement with people in Germany both before and after the Nazi ascendancy. They didn't really care about the science, but they relied on the science to give some sort of validity to their claims of racial inferiority, and Arthur Jensen was literally a star. So, a lot of really terrible people adopt eugenics because it allows them to do things like build fake racial hierarchies based on intelligence or aptitude, and then use that to argue against interracial marriage, or integrated schools, or to argue for the sterilization of so called undesirables. I would send in a membership. What's it gonna be? Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. This is another clip where Berry Mehler and J. P. Rushton are sitting next to each other debating. Barry: The Pioneer was looking for scholars who were willing to take a stand, and that's what Jensen was willing to do. Rigo:Exactly. You know, he's a brilliant guy, and he's got these ideas, and after all, he's probably right. It's kind of an unfortunate reason for Barry Mehler to have gone viral, right? First, on the idea front. How did people receive this? Hosts: Alexis Pedrick and Elisabeth Berry Drago Barry's Jewish identity was visible to everyone all the time. Lisa:All pretty common accusations that anyone who is coming against neo Nazis, even today. Lisa:So just setting the scene again for people listening, we're watching The Phil Donahue Show. They weren't seeing the things that Barry was seeing, so Mehler goes down the rabbit hole of white supremacist literature, and what he finds shocks him even more. I mean, I was never anybody really. 7 (July, 1991), Cross-Port InnerView, Vol. I went to the police about the swastika on the mailbox and they said, "Yeah, you know, that's just kids, you know, and look, they didn't even do it right. I mean, I wish that some of the millions of people who watch that video would, like, learn about his work, his life's work. 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