All photos appear on this tab and here you can update the sort order of photos on memorials you manage. "Sir Richard Clough The Most Complete Man", Adriaen van Cronenburgh's portrait of Katheryn, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katheryn_of_Berain&oldid=1108537268, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. She was a Welsh noblewoman noted for her four marriages and her extensive network of descendants and relations. Said to have been a ward of queen Elizabeth, she was the heiress to the Berain and Penymynydd estates in Denbighshire and Anglesey. Married William Wynn, A relative of Maurice Wynn. Katherine Tudor married Griffith Wynne and had 1 child. Jane Wynn. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/83401152/katheryn-tudor_of_berain. Johann Casper Richter von Kronenschelt (1661 - 1711), Katheryn of Berain, "The Mother of Wales" (1534/5-1591). Her last marriage was to Thomas Seymour, uncle of king Edward Vi, that she had originally wanted to marry before her marriage to the king. We encourage you to research and examine these records to determine their accuracy. Please reset your password. Also called Mam Cymru, Mother of Wales. Use Escape keyboard button or the Close button to close the carousel. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Katheryn Tudor of Berain (83401152)? Death:Jun., 1591 Deptford London Borough of Lewisham Greater London, England Dame Katherine Gonson's Will Dame Katherine Gonson married Sir John Hawkins in 1557 and had one son Sir Richard Hawkins. They, unlike Queen Catherine Howard, were pardoned in 1542. Her own children by Brandon died in their teens. It is likely due to her family influence that she personally avoided punishment. To use this feature, use a newer browser. Are you sure that you want to report this flower to administrators as offensive or abusive? 1503 Katherine Tudur was born on month day 1503, at birth place, to 1457 |023 HENRY VII TUDOR, of England and 1466 |023 1466 ELIZABETH TUDOR, of England (born of YORK). History though Anne Boleyn is also accepted as Queen from 1533-1536 which partially covers the end of this period. England. It was King Henry VI who made his Tudor brothers Earls and gave them custody of the great Lancastrian heiress Margaret Beaufort, allowing Edmund Tudor to marry Margaret himself and father the son who would eventually become the first Tudor king: Henry VII. This account already exists, but the email address still needs to be confirmed. Do not use this data until you have checked it, preferably at the source (the archives). She died from tuberculosis without reuniting with them. Daughter of daughter of Sir Giles Brydges or Brugge of Coberley and his wife Isabel (ne Baynham). A system error has occurred. Following his death, she married Sir Richard Clough, and extremely wealthy merchant, by whom she had two daughters. No monument perpetuates her memory, but her portrait is preserved at Garthewin. You can customize the cemeteries you volunteer for by selecting or deselecting below. Failed to delete memorial. The Welsh poet Robert Parry wrote an elegy on the occasion of Katheryn's death. Served as one of the nurses to the baby Princess Mary in 1516 and stayed with her at least to 1525 when Marys household moved Ludlow as the Princess of Wales. Your Scrapbook is currently empty. 1568), married Roger Salusbury, Mary Clough (born 1569). Try again later. Catherine Verch Tudor Ap Robert Of Salusbury (born Berain) was born in 1534, at birth place. The author of this publication would love to hear from you! Catherine Woodville was born to her father when he was simply Baron Rivers and not yet Earl Rivers. Birthplace: Berain, Wales (United Kingdom) Death: 1545 (21-30) Wales (United Kingdom) Immediate Family: Son of Robert Fychan ap Tudur and Grace Conway. She helped her meet Thomas Culpepper secretly whilst Catherine was married to Henry VIII and was questioned in the Tower over this. Her mother, Elizabeth of York, died 9 days after her birth and it is thought that the cause most likely was puerperal fever exacerbated by an iron deficiency. Her fourth and last husband was Edward Thelwall of Plas-y-ward, who outlived her. There are no volunteers for this cemetery. Sent to live at a relatives (Agnes Tilneys) house when young, she had early sexual experience at 13 though this would now be termed child abuse and she comes across as very nave even when an adult. A lock of hair belonging to Catherine Parr, the last of King Henry VIII's wives, is expected to fetch hundreds of pounds at auction next week. Learn more about merges. Please try again later. Are you sure that you want to report this flower to administrators as offensive or abusive? I agree that they most likely represent the same person, but are we sure we want to merge them as the other profile appears to be a "stub". Just one grandparent can lead you to many Weve updated the security on the site. Assuming Katheryn was a great-granddaughter of Henry VII, then King Henry VII would be her half-great-granduncle. cemeteries found within miles of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. Share this memorial using social media sites or email. Katheryn Tudor died on 27 Aug 1591. based on information from your browser. http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/plantagenet_36.html, http://www.r3.org/on-line-library-text-essays/back-to-basics-for-newcomers/the-beaufort-legitimation/, http://www.intriguing-history.com/katherine-swynford-mistress-of-john-of-gaunt/, http://unromanticrichardiii.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/katherine-woodville-cradle-robber.html, https://thefreelancehistorywriter.com/2014/03/28/elizabeth-of-york-queen-of-england/. We encourage you to research and examine these records to determine their accuracy. She married the Earl of Hertford secretly, without Queen Elizabeths permission. Learn more about managing a memorial . This information is part of Todd's of Scotland by Bryan Todd on Genealogy Online. Include gps location with grave photos where possible. Biography Katheryn Tudor died on 27 Aug 1591. Also known as Catalina 1485-1501, My Lady Princess (in England prior to her marriage), Princess of Wales 1501-1502. Officially the daughter of Sir William Carey and his wife Mary (ne Boleyn). Only son and heir Sir Henry Salusbury , 1st Baronet, the first of the Salusbury Baronets of Lleweni (1619), and Henry was the father of Anne Salusbury, the wife of Arthur Stanhope and ancestor of all the earls of Chesterfield from the fifth Earl. Leave a message for others who see this profile. Make sure that the file is a photo. This is a carousel with slides. Youll get hints when we find information about your relatives. Joseph Allen, after Adriaen van Cronenburgh. Your new password must contain one or more uppercase and lowercase letters, and one or more numbers or special characters. The Lady Katherin Gordon is the saddest, and besides Lafy Kstherin Cary who is my favorite, but with all of the Katherines who carry the name, the only ones who survive and have a decent life are the ones who are ladies in waiting., Your email address will not be published. Lettice Knollys: Cousin vs Queen (Part 3), Monthly Recap of Articles #1: Latest Posts on TudorsDynasty.com, http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/articles/2011-10-10/Katheryn-of-Berain/. Are you adding a grave photo that will fulfill this request? Most of her children died: two sons (one called Henry lived for 52 days and one who lived for a few hours or days), three stillbirths (a boy and 2 girls) plus her live daughter Mary, who survived to become queen regnant. With Quick Search you can search by name, first name followed by a last name. To add a flower, click the Leave a Flower button. Youll get hints when we find information about your relatives. Example: "*ornelis de b*r" finds both "cornelis de boer" and "kornelis de buur". For memorials with more than one photo, additional photos will appear here or on the photos tab. When her secret marriage was discovered it caused a scandal and her husband was imprisoned. Bornin Berain, Llanefydd, Denbighshire, Waleson 1534to Tudor ap Robertand Jane Vielville. To add a flower, click the Leave a Flower button. Father of Catrin o Ferain / Kathryn of Berain; Owen Tudor and wife of John Salisbury , of Denbighshire. Are you sure that you want to remove this flower? She was a Welsh noblewoman noted for her four marriages and her extensive network of descendants and relations. Failed to delete memorial. This memorial has been copied to your clipboard. Start a free family tree online and well do the searching for you. Katherine married Sir Richard Clewett Clough in 1560, at age 26 at marriage place . Henry VIII and most of the English court but they only claimed it hadnt ended in 1509 after 1533 . She had 14 children of which 12-13 survived to adulthood. Found more than one record for entered Email, You need to confirm this account before you can sign in. She married Sir John Salisbury of Llewnny (1540 - 1575). Please complete the captcha to let us know you are a real person. If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. Her maternal Grandfather Sir Roland de Velville (1474-25 June 1535)was thought to be an illegitimate son of King Henry VII of England by a "Breton lady". Share this memorial using social media sites or email. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Katheryn Tudor of Berain (83401152)? Resend Activation Email, Please check the I'm not a robot checkbox, If you want to be a Photo Volunteer you must enter a ZIP Code or select your location on the map. Devout Protestant, she went abroad briefly during the reign of Mary I. If you notice a problem with the translation, please send a message to [emailprotected] and include a link to the page and details about the problem. Birth of Sir John Salusbury, III, "The Strong&q "Catherine verch Robert", "Mam Cymru", "Kathryn Tudor", "Tudor", "Katheryn of Berain", "Catrin o Ferain", "Katherine Tudor", ******************************************************************************************************, Katherine of Berain (1534-1591) was the daughter of Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain (a descendant, in direct male line, of Marchweithian, Lord of Isaled, the 11th royal tribe of Wales), who married Jane Velville (b. P. Deegan lives in England and has always been interested in history. Tudor Period Notable but Minor Players: Also known as Katherine Champernowne (though Elizabeth always called her Kat) 1502-1545, Kat Ashley 1545-1565. Church of St Nefydd and St Mary. Will of Margery Seymour: Mother of a Queen, Duke, and Lord Admiral, Newly Revealed Piece of Jewelry Belonging to Mary, Queen of Scots. Oops, some error occurred while uploading your photo(s). She passed away on 1591. There was an error deleting this problem. Mother of Thomas Salusbury; Sir John Salusbury, III, "The Strong", MP; Catherine Salusbury; Mary Clough; Jane Wynn and 3 others; Edward Wynn; Morris Wynn and Robert Wynn less Translation on Find a Grave is an ongoing project. Their only son was Sir Henry Salusbury, 1st Baronet, the first of the Salusbury Baronets of Lleweni(1619). Learn about how to make the most of a memorial. I think that both women effectively defied the expectations of the societies they lived in for love. Katheryn had a further two children by Maurice Wynn: Katheryn's fourth and last husband was Edward Thelwall of Plas-y-Ward, who outlived her. Flowers added to the memorial appear on the bottom of the memorial or here on the Flowers tab. Previously sponsored memorials or famous memorials will not have this option. Married William Wynn, a relative of, This page was last edited on 5 September 2022, at 00:10. Use the links under See more to quickly search for other people with the same last name in the same cemetery, city, county, etc. Katheryn of Berain ( Welsh: Catrin o Ferain) (born 1535 - Latin eulogy; died aged 56 on 27 August 1591), sometimes called Mam Cymru ("mother of Wales "), was a Welsh noblewoman noted for her four marriages and her extensive network of descendants and relations. She married four times and through her numerous children and step-children was called Mam Cymru - the mother of Wales. Gathered from those who lived during the same time period, were born in the same place, or who have a family name in common. To use this feature, use a newer browser. She survived the irascible king (just). Also called Mam Cymru, Mother of Wales. Try again later. Verify and try again. Please ensure you have given Find a Grave permission to access your location in your browser settings. Please check your email and click on the link to activate your account. Maid of honour to Queen Anne of Cleves and Queen Catherine Howard. Thomas Salisbury (c1564 -September 20, 1586). Are you sure that you want to delete this memorial? 1457 was born on January 28 1457, in Pembroke Castle, Pembrokeshire, Wales, UK. [5], The Cloughs lived for a time in Antwerp, where Katheryn's portrait was painted, probably by Adriaen van Cronenburgh, as the National Museum now suggests,[1] or perhaps by Lucas de Heere, a previous attribution. Found more than one record for entered Email, You need to confirm this account before you can sign in. Assuming Katheryn was a great-granddaughter of Henry VII, then King Henry VII would be her half-great-granduncle. John Owens referred to her as 'Britannica Phoenix' and David Jones gave her the epithet 'illustrissimae dominae'. Her father being Tudor ap Robert Vychan and her mother Jane Velville. Edit a memorial you manage or suggest changes to the memorial manager. cemeteries found within kilometers of your location will be saved to your photo volunteer list. If you have questions, please contact [emailprotected]. A system error has occurred. John Owens referred to her as 'Britannica Phoenix' and David Jones gave her the epithet 'illustrissimae dominae'. Catherine rejoined her household, when Mary became Queen. Sister of Owen Tudor and wife of John Salisbury , of Denbighshire, Katherine Tudor 1545-1591 Catherine Tudor was daughter and heiress of Tudor ap Vychan of Berain. These two Catherines are the reasons why an obscure Welsh noble family ended up on the English throne for over a hundred years and why their descendants, through a daughter who married into the Stuart line and whose descendants then married into German royalty, still sit on the English throne. Failed to report flower. Please. Christine. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. The skull, a common device in portraiture of the period, is symbolic of mortality. The better quality data should be retained. Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden. She wrote a locket (said to contain the hair of her second and favourite husband, Sir Richard Clough) suspended to her neck by a gold chain. Burial. Daughter of King Edward IV and his Queen Elizabeth (ne Woodville). She was the mother-in-law to Mary Queen of Scots through her first husband. Daughter of John Broughton of Toddington and his wife Anne (ne Sapcote). Photos larger than 8Mb will be reduced. Other epitaphs were written by the poets Robert Parry and Cadwaladr Wynn. Also known as Lady Katherine Sandys 1573-1596. Geni requires JavaScript! Called Mam Cymru, the 'Mother of Wales', Katheryn was a ward of Queen Elizabeth and was the heiress of the Berain and Penymynydd estates in Denbighshire and the Isle of Anglesey. Sorry! After his death she became the wife successively of Sir Richard Clough of Plas Clough, Maurice Wynn of Gwydir, and Edward Thelwall of Plas-y-Ward.The elegies delivered upon her death by various Welsh poets reveal her obvious patronage to Welsh cultural heritage. Katheryn, who is said to have been a ward of queen Elizabeth, ultimately acquired by mortgage Penmynydd in Anglesey. Edward Wynn. She was a Spanish princess who came to England to marry prince Arthur Tudor. Please ensure you have given Find a Grave permission to access your location in your browser settings. Becoming a Find a Grave member is fast, easy and FREE. Learn more about merges. She had at least 15 sons and 9 daughters with Admiral Sir John Hawkins. Their children were not legitimised until 1606. ('Robert Vychan ap Tydr ap Ievan ap Tydr ap Griffith Lloyd ap Heilin Vrych ap Kynfrig ap Kynfrig ap Llowarch ap Heilin ap Tyfyd ap Tangno ap Ystrwth ap March Wystl ap Marchweithian, Lord of Isaled, 11th Tribe of Wales'). Katherine herself, the Emperor and his ambassador, plus the Pope. They were accidentally created by a new member, who has since been assigned a mentor. You may not upload any more photos to this memorial, This photo was not uploaded because this memorial already has 20 photos, This photo was not uploaded because you have already uploaded 5 photos to this memorial, This photo was not uploaded because this memorial already has 30 photos, This photo was not uploaded because you have already uploaded 15 photos to this memorial. Married to Jasper Tudor, uncle of Henry VII. Search above to list available cemeteries. She believes it probably started with the TV series the six wives of Henry VIII in the 70s. Katherine had a long affair with the prince known as John of Gaunt, third son of King Edward III, that started whilst she was governess to his daughters by his first wife. This memorial has been copied to your clipboard. ). Her many descendants included Hester Thrale and the 18th century explorer John Salusbury. Your new password must contain one or more uppercase and lowercase letters, and one or more numbers or special characters. Sorry! She was involved with inciting rebellion against the Kings justiciar with her first husband. Learn about how to make the most of a memorial. Following on from my piece on the various Marys that were notable figures in the Tudor period, I now intend to do a quick article on another name that crops up a lot during this period: Katherine or Catherine. Her maternal Grandfather Sir Roland de Velville (1474-25 June 1535)was thought to be an illegitimate son of King Henry VII of England by a "Breton lady". She also became involved with the rebels of the Pilgrimage of Grace during its early stages. The email does not appear to be a valid email address. She died from tuberculosis without reuniting with them. 1534-27 August 1591 (Age 57) Llannefydd, Denbighshire, Wales The Life of Katheryn Catrin o Ferain When Katheryn Catrin o Ferain Tudor of Berain was born in 1534, in Llannefydd, Denbighshire, Wales, her father, Vaughan ap Robert Fychan, was 24 and her mother, Jane de Velville, was 20. The practise of the English Court she was acknowledged as, and treated as, Queen even by Henry himself even when he sent her away from court. Her first husband was then executed for treason. This browser does not support getting your location. I don't think there's any benefit to trying to improve the duplicate profiles before merging them away. Katheryn had a further two children by Maurice Wynn. 0 cemeteries found in Llannefydd, Conwy, Wales. After his defeat she was placed in the household of the queen (Elizabeth of York) where she became a favoured lady in waiting. Katherine Tudor (1534 - 1591) How do we create a person's profile? 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